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Post by Fatal hilarity on Dec 26, 2008 15:59:47 GMT -5
You have to remember that while David O. Selznick was a stickler for historical accuracy, I don't think Walt Disney was ever truly one- and the people at the Disney comics department, who are likely lower than the animators, were probably making stuff up without Walt checking in on it. My point is that the artists probably decided that he's got himself gussied up, but I don't think that necessarily means he's supposed to be white. There are some lucky slaves who became free men and got the chance to dress up nice, after all. Personally, I think of him as the type who, although he has the look and mannerisms of a country gentleman (your evil scheming Rhett Butler), he doesn't actually have any money. So he very likely uses his slithering charms to trick people, which would be very appropriate to the comics' animal tale legacy. I kind of see him as a white guy (maybe) who's always down on his luck. I think in some ways he's historically accurate to the very politically incorrect times of the 1940's. Perhaps it would be best that we all think of him going either way- black and white- since it's unlikely that his creator(s) was/were consciously thinking of what race he is.
I don't have any of his comics. I would've started scanning them by now, don't you think? All I've got is those teeny pics. I thought I had made that clear... oh well. *shrugs* Like I said, though, the ones specifically based on WFRR are higher priority, since they are the most likely to have additional weasels, AND they would be an extension of the world in which Toontown exists. This also includes those two children's books, since they make the only known appearances of the Toon Patrol outside of WFRR and Car Toon Spin. My point is that you'll have to wait a while, since money is hard to come by and there are lots more ahead of Br'er Weasel. But don't worry! I will do it in... maybe over the next couple of years... ugh. Of course, other people are perfectly welcome to do it as well.
I actually think the opposite when it comes to who's getting the way of who- Br'er Fox and Br'er Bear, I mean. Br'er Fox IS indeed smart, but the problem is that he's TOO smart in a way, because he makes his plans too complicated. I actually have to agree with Br'er Bear on just walloping him over the head- it's simple and it would work. See, I think that because Br'er Rabbit would in fact be unconscious and therefore unable to use "his head 'stead of his feets" to get him out of the trap. BANG! Rabbit stew. I think that's the message that the writers are trying to get across when Br'er Bear knocks Br'er Fox unconscious.
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Post by psychoangel51402 on Dec 26, 2008 23:17:30 GMT -5
sorry, i thought you said you were in the process of obtaining some Br'er Weasel comics. i didn't mean to peeve you.
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Post by Fatal hilarity on Dec 27, 2008 1:17:14 GMT -5
Uhh... who said I was peeved? It's okay, I'm not mad at all. I just thought I had it clear... So don't be sorry! Everything's fine.
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Post by wifeofsmartass on Dec 27, 2008 3:08:04 GMT -5
In the original tales all the animals ARE indeed black. I've been reading them for years. His hair, his moustache, his clothes... they don't fit into the Uncle Remus vibe. None of the animals in the original 19th century illustrations have the vibe Brer Weasel has or have his style. Because it's in inaqurate style. I've got nothing against the character at all- he's just merely put in the wrong place and atmosphere. The creators goofed.
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Post by Fatal hilarity on Dec 27, 2008 3:55:46 GMT -5
Umm... you do know that I'm fully aware of that, right? What I've been saying all along is to give them a break.
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Post by wifeofsmartass on Dec 27, 2008 4:06:57 GMT -5
I know that you're aware of that. I just consider historical accuracy to be an important priority of mine with art. I'm a big fan of those tales, and it bothers me seeing it goofed like that, is all. Like, little historically inaccurate things i wouldn't nitpick at. But this one is just way too big and obvious to me. I've even showed a pic of him off my phone to people, and they also immediately thought he was out of place with the tales.
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Post by psychoangel51402 on Dec 27, 2008 10:45:10 GMT -5
Uhh... who said I was peeved? It's okay, I'm not mad at all. I just thought I had it clear that I hadn't... So don't be sorry! Everything's fine. sorry, i thought i sensed an air of irritation.
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Post by Fatal hilarity on Dec 27, 2008 14:41:07 GMT -5
Well, can't do much about an over sixty-year-old design, now can we? Me, I find that dumb goofs like that, no matter what period, have a certain charm... It feels awkward not being so bothered by it when you are- I mean, to me he works in the way that he's part of 1940's Disney interpretation of something from the late 1800's. I don't expect that sort of thing to be accurate! I like dumb cartoons. Song of the South and Splash Mountain especially aren't exactly authentic, accurate portrayals. Now live-action movies, on the other hand...
I actually feel sorry for being unable to help but disagree with you, actually...
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Post by psychoangel51402 on Dec 27, 2008 19:41:35 GMT -5
no, i'm glad of it. i strive for total accuracy in my stories. that was why i asked, i was pretty sure i was wrong and hoped someone would correct me!
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Post by wifeofsmartass on Dec 27, 2008 21:06:00 GMT -5
Song of the South isn't 100% accurate of course, but i find it enough to where it gives the proper vibe. I've recognized lines in the movie that were taken directly out of the original stories.
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Post by Fatal hilarity on Jan 19, 2009 22:31:31 GMT -5
Well, we're all just stuck with him, aren't we? Anyway, sorry it took so long, but I finally uploaded all the images of Br'er Weasel I could find: smg.photobucket.com/albums/v428/tymime/Weasels/Brer%20Weasel/?action=view¤t=brer_weasel1.pngI think it's mostly in chronological order, the obvious exceptions being the last two (since they're new to my collection), but you get a broad idea of his evolution. The earlier ones are very inconsistent, as you can see- one of which even looks like one from Mr. Toad- and the shorter-faced design makes him look entirely different from the smooth, charming, smarmy con-man we've all come to love and more like a dumb bumpkin. In fact, when I see the second-to-last image, I picture him saying "Well, gawrsh!" or better yet "Well, bust mah buttons an' call me flapjack!" This is the only fanart I've found, interestingly enough (I didn't expect any at all): Henrieke.deviantart.com/art/Some-Brers-and-Sisses-77116684I think the only reason this artist even knows about these characters well enough to bother drawing them is because she comes from Europe.
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Post by psychoangel51402 on Jan 20, 2009 11:42:30 GMT -5
OTZ OTZ OTZ THANKYOUUUUUU!!!!!!! Oh, that drawing is SO good! WOW! I wonder how she got good enough ref.? Bought enough comics, i guess. THANK YOU FATAL!!!
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Post by Fatal hilarity on Jan 20, 2009 13:06:01 GMT -5
You're very welcome. (: You also have a bunch of people in the world to thank for putting up those pictures on INDUCKS in the first place. You should note that some of them don't load full size unless you zoom in. I recommend erasing any mention of the website before you use them on yours (that is, the text underneath some of the images). I honestly don't know what the site's policy on sharing their images and/or scans is, or if you need permission to use them. I don't know why you should have to ask, since they don't own these characters, anyway. But since it wasn't really me who scanned them, but rather it was me who put them all in one place, I think it'd be more appropriate if you credited coa.inducks.com instead of me. I just made them easy to access!
I have to admit that the only real reason it took me so long was that I got distracted by a bunch of other things. Also, as I've said before on this forum, I'm a terrible procrastinator.
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Post by psychoangel51402 on Jan 27, 2009 22:03:52 GMT -5
oh okay...I will steal them cleanly then >:} MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! no, I'll credit inducks...unless i forget ^_^
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Post by Fatal hilarity on Feb 6, 2009 7:04:08 GMT -5
Okay, I've got a TON of new ones, mostly from coa.inducks.com: smg.photobucket.com/albums/v428/tymime/Weasels/Brer%20Weasel/?action=view¤t=brer_weasel29b.pngThere are three of them from this this blog, if you wanna read the entire thing. Just put "big bad" in the search engine: classiccartoons.blogspot.comOf particular interest is the increasingly obvious lack of model sheets for the mostly artists to use immediately following his first heyday in the late forties and early fifties up until his revival in the late eighties. That is, from the late fifties to the early eighties his appearances get really scarce and his design absurdly and laughably inconsistent. You'll probably remember this example: img.photobucket.com/albums/v428/tymime/Weasels/Brer%20Weasel/offmodel1.pngThis one's probably a fluke, seeing as it's clearly based off of the weasels in Mr Toad.. This one on the other hand: img.photobucket.com/albums/v428/tymime/Weasels/Brer%20Weasel/offmodel2.pngI actually like this design, but it's not the Br'er Weasel we know and love. What makes this design unique is that he looks like an actual weasel. A chubby one, maybe, but still... It gets weirder: img.photobucket.com/albums/v428/tymime/Weasels/Brer%20Weasel/offmodel4.pngHere, he doesn't really look like a weasel at all, and a heck of a lot more like an otter. I'm not entirely sure if he's referred to as Br'er Weasel or not, but darn it, he looks like an otter! This one's the worst: img.photobucket.com/albums/v428/tymime/Weasels/Brer%20Weasel/offmodel3.pngHere he doesn't look like any sort of animal at all. In fact, it's pretty obvious how lazy the artitsts were being. Another odd one: img.photobucket.com/albums/v428/tymime/Weasels/Brer%20Weasel/offmodel5.pngimg.photobucket.com/albums/v428/tymime/Weasels/Brer%20Weasel/offmodel6.pngimg.photobucket.com/albums/v428/tymime/Weasels/Brer%20Weasel/offmodel7.pngThis is supposedly him, but since he's never referred to as such, I have my doubts. This time, he doesn't even look like a mustelid- he looks like a rat!And finally: img.photobucket.com/albums/v428/tymime/Weasels/Brer%20Weasel/offmodel8.pngThis one's the weirdest 'cause he's totally naked and looks like he's rabid...
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