Kilo the Weasel
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Post by Kilo the Weasel on Dec 23, 2008 21:00:44 GMT -5
Uh uh?? *grabs a baseball bat* Must remember!!
Okay...I remember hat he's the very first Disney weasel.... He schemes with some of the other baddies in attempts to get rid of the rabbit in the Br'er Rabbit comics...Uh...he's usually the brains of operations... Hmm....*trying to remember*
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Post by psychoangel51402 on Dec 23, 2008 21:27:03 GMT -5
THANK YOU!!! how do u know? can you speak Dutch?
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Kilo the Weasel
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Post by Kilo the Weasel on Dec 23, 2008 21:46:38 GMT -5
Um no? I just roam around the internet alot xD
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Post by psychoangel51402 on Dec 23, 2008 22:30:54 GMT -5
oh! can u send me any links?
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Kilo the Weasel
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Post by Kilo the Weasel on Dec 23, 2008 22:40:53 GMT -5
I'm not sure about that, I go around to random sites so I never really get to remember any of the addresses...
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Post by wifeofsmartass on Dec 23, 2008 23:02:19 GMT -5
maybe they're s'posed to - he IS the villain, after all, y'know what i mean? he's S'POSED to be an outsider. i hope i don't offend anyone by saying that... Don't worry- you didn't say anything offensive at all. It's just that i've read the original stories from the 1800's and have some myself, and all the animals, good and bad, are of African American culture.
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Post by Fatal hilarity on Dec 24, 2008 4:35:12 GMT -5
Hey there- thought it'd be fair of me to help a bit with what little I know about him, since (to be so bold as to brag) I introduced him both to you, psycho angel, and, uh... Wheezy's Sis, if I have the permission to address you that way. (You have a long name...)
Here's something I've written about him:Looking at the INDUCKS stuff, you can see that when he was recently revived for those Dutch/etc. comics, that he became part of a gang called the Foul Fellows Club. The club includes the well-known Br'er Fox and Br'er Bear, as well as the other character made in 1946 for comics to promote Song of the South Br'er Buzzard, and finally the (decidedly European) Big Bad Wolf- based on the design seen in the 1933 Disney short The Three Little Pigs. We also see the character Li'l Bad Wolf, who was made for comics in 1945. There is apparently an Uncle Remus version of the Three Little Pigs, where the pigs are replaced by Br'er Rabbit, so having the Big Bad Wolf (or Zeke Wolf, apparently) there in the South isn't that much of a stretch...
I always figured the folks at Disney comics who created Br'er Weasel just went: "Hmm... how about Br'er Weasel? And he lives in the South... let's make him a cowboy!" ...Or perhaps a Southern gentleman, like everyone else here thinks. That makes much more sense, actually... Has anyone else noticed how Disney is obsessed with the Deep South?
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Post by wifeofsmartass on Dec 24, 2008 7:02:27 GMT -5
I was wondering when you'd post here, fatal, cuz i remembered how you were the one that introduced him! The big bad wolf makes sense to me in being there, cuz in the original tales there's a Brer Wolf, and he does often hang with Brer Fox. More often than Brer Bear plots with the fox, actually. Brer Weasel is a cute little mustelid, but i wish the artists based his clothes according to the southern African American culture of the late 1800's. I've looked at literally every picture from the original Uncle Remus stories, and none of the animals are dressed like a cowboy/ southern gentlemen. The tales were told by the slaves back then, and since they were treated horribly, they didn't have fancy clothes. The animal characters wear drab, simple clothes like the slaves did. I'm not trying to be offensive, btw. (I have Caucasian and African blood in me, and other stuff; i'm not trying to be racist or offensive in any way- i'm just being historical here! )
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Kilo the Weasel
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Self-proclaimed little sister of Wheezy the weasel.
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Post by Kilo the Weasel on Dec 24, 2008 10:52:51 GMT -5
Hey there- thought it'd be fair of me to help a bit with what little I know about him, since (to be so bold as to brag) I introduced him both to you, psycho angel, and, uh... Wheezy's Sis, if I have the permission to address you that way. (You have a long name...) You've got the permission to call me ANY name you'd like ^^ If its too long, just call me somethin' else! I wouldn't mind. And that bit about Br'er Weasel should help a bit with this topic
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Post by Fatal hilarity on Dec 24, 2008 15:04:59 GMT -5
Wheezy's Sis will be easy for me to remember... thanks.
You've gotta admit that the artists were probably not really thinking about whether or not he appeared to be poor- it's quite possible they created him very quickly just so they could have as much new material in the comics as possible. Like I said, there is a "Wattle Weasel", but no Br'er Weasel in the original Uncle Remus stories. I seriously doubt that the cartoonists doing these characters way back in 1946 had much knowledge about the original stories- they were probably just given model sheets and maybe saw some storyboards. You could say that Br'er Weasel is meant to be the type who only pretends to be well-to-do... I get a con-man, snake-oil salesman vibe off of him, so perhaps his dress is for appearances only. He does, after all, hang out with a bunch of dirt poor hooligans in a rickety shack... not exactly a classy abode.
I REALLY want to start collecting the comics he appears in, but the ones that are specifically based on WFRR are higher priority. That, and since there are so many very old ones from the Golden Era of comics, they'd likely be very expensive. I think I'll go with English reprints as often as possible- they'd be cheaper, help with translation considerably, and have the same content anyhow!
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Post by wifeofsmartass on Dec 24, 2008 21:36:32 GMT -5
It's not a matter of whether or not he's poor or rich- it's that there is a huge difference between southern African American culture and southern Caucasian culture of that time period. I just... don't think he fits into the Uncle Remus atmosphere.
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Post by psychoangel51402 on Dec 25, 2008 11:32:47 GMT -5
*shrug* i dunno...i personally think he's supposed to be a type of charicature of Rhett Butler, but that's just me.
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Post by Fatal hilarity on Dec 26, 2008 2:33:11 GMT -5
Well, I dunno... who's to say that he's supposed to be like a black man? I doubt the cartoonists who invented him were thinking along the lines of "African American culture", since they were middle-class white men in the Forties, likely living in California... and we all know that those sort of people were largely ignorant of the culture. I'm pretty sure they were thinking of some sort of generic Southern culture.
You still like him, though, right? As a personality and character, I mean? I like his facial design the best myself. And like I said, I get a snake-oil salesman vibe off of him, since many of the images on INDUCKS have him trying to make a sucker out of Br'er Rabbit (or his girlfriend, Molly, I believe).
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Post by wifeofsmartass on Dec 26, 2008 5:19:11 GMT -5
History says he's supposed to be a black man. Those stories did come from Africa and entered America through the slaves way back when. I've read Kenyan and South African folktales that are the same thing as the Uncle Remus tales. "The Hare Who Would Not Be King" is one, for example. I do think he's a cute little guy. X3 But he's not a fav character of mine cuz Brer Fox steals this paticular show, to me. I don't dislike him; he just happens to not be a fave to me, is all. Historical accuracy is very important to me, and different cultures have unique, interesting qualities that can affect personalities. Culture is a part of one's character. Brer Fox for example, wouldn't be such a charming character without his black accent and slang. Just like Smart Ass wouldn't be so charming without his 1940's mobster qualities and Brooklyn accent and slang. (Yeah! Molly Rabbit, or Sis Rabbit ) I just wish that the artists had done their homework with these tales. It's like putting a pirate in a movie about cowboys.
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Post by psychoangel51402 on Dec 26, 2008 13:44:54 GMT -5
have you any copies of the comics? i would LOVE to see them! all i can get are the teeny pics on INDUCKS, and i can't translate them b/c they're so small i can't see the text! XP i think he's really adorable, but i do agree that Br'er Fox steals the show. one of the cutest villains ever in my book. y'know, if it weren't for Br'er Bear, he'd have barbequed Br'er Rabbit LONG ago. It's not that his ideas don't work, it's that the big idiot bear interferes. But how does a fox chase off a bear? poor li'l guy. i also agree about importance in historical accuracy - i can't tell you how many hours i've spent pouring over dusty old books and loooong internet searches making sure my stories are accurate. that's also why i want to know more about Br'er Weasel - i also strive for accuracy in personalities, too. so my Rhett Butler theory is going out the window...unless... d'y' think he's slick enough to ACT like a classy gentleman to trick someone? hasn't he done that to Molly? it looked like he was trying to convince her to buy something...i really couldn't tell, tho - darn tiny pics in foreign languages...X(
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