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Post by psychoangel51402 on Jun 15, 2009 9:49:11 GMT -5
For those who haven't read the book, this thread may contain EXTREME SPOILERS UNLIKE ANY YOU'VE EVER SEEN BEFORE!!!  Lol, just kidding. But there may be spoilers. |
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Post by psychoangel51402 on Jun 15, 2009 9:53:01 GMT -5
So who else has read it? Any thoughts? It DOES bring to mind some new theories.
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Post by Fatal hilarity on Jun 15, 2009 17:36:22 GMT -5
Like I said to you in PMs, I think the Toon Tonic is the most interesting element of the book, and it certainly has the greatest story potential. For one thing, do you remember how it's inventor, Dr. Jackal, was described as being thrown into the ocean? I can't help but wonder if drowning would be enough to kill a toon in the angel-with-wings-and-harp sense. Also, there's this bit in Gary Wolf's short story "Stay Tooned, Folks!" intrigued me. For those of you who haven't seen it, here it is: mysite.verizon.net/garykwolf/Staytoonedfolks/Staytoonedfolks.pdfRoger's straight-man counterpart eventually concedes to take daily injections of Toon Tonic. Whether or not it transforms him into a toon is unclear (typical, really), but he definitely is granted some toon abilities. Wolf describes it as a "controversial concoction extracted from the humorous glands of laughing hyenas". So is this the same Toon Tonic in Who Plugged? If it is, it would seem to me that it somehow was recreated, albeit in a less potent form. My guess is that someone recreated it, but wasn't able to do it accurately, resulting in humans only being partially altered- or perhaps someone used the original Toon Tonic idea as a springboard for something similar but new. See what you've done, Mr. Wolf? You don't think this stuff through! And if anyone feels comfortable enough discussing the queasy subject of toon/human relationships- lovers, boyfriend/girlfriend, husband/wife, that is- we can do that. |
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Post by psychoangel51402 on Jun 16, 2009 11:53:49 GMT -5
Maybe Dr. Jackal wasn't a Toon...?
Yeah, I'm grasping straws.
SPOILER ALERT!!!
I wish Dodger hadn't died. He could've been used later and made the story REALLY interesting, don't you think?
I can't download that file yet, so I haven't read it. I hafta wait 'til I can use a public computer. Wolf really did jumble things up alot, though! Makes me kinda mad...all our theorizing and conclusion drawing, possibly for naught...
Ugh...what was Wolf THINKING?! Seriously, what's the deal with Fred and Heddy?! Did she really have three human kids sired by a Toon? Or are the kids from a previous marriage?
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Post by kishi on Jun 16, 2009 16:45:33 GMT -5
It's kinda the same thing as "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy". Everything changes from book to book, but with those books, it's kind of part of the charm.
And wait...toon babies with people? o.O WTF?
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Post by Fatal hilarity on Jun 16, 2009 17:36:32 GMT -5
I can't remember who Dodger was... so many characters pop in and out of the story, for no other reason than to give Eddie a bit of information. It's not very good writing...
Now, having a human character named Cairo in The Maltese Falcon is believable, but a name like Dr. Jackal is so ridiculous that I don't see how he can't be a toon. Because of that, I picture him looking like a cross between Anubis and an evil mad scientist.
I also like to imagine that he survives being underwater, and if he were given the chance, he would come back out... and wreak his revenge... BWAHAHAHAHA!!
I simply can't imagine it being biologically or genetically possible to breed a human and a toon... maybe it's sort of like pairing mules? That is, no offspring is possible?
That's why it'd make tons more sense if the kids were from a previous marriage, or adopted.
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Post by psychoangel51402 on Jun 17, 2009 9:05:00 GMT -5
Dodger is Roger's evil...half-cousin? I think he was his half-cousin... But he looks almost exactly like Roger and most (if any) humans can't tell them apart. Roger claims they couldn't POSSIBLY look any more different because Dodger parts his hair in the middle.
Like I said, I was grasping straws...
I always kinda figured Toons can't drown. After all, most Toons I've seen (with the exception of Tom of "Tom and Jerry") can breathe underwater or at least hold their breaths until the scene changes. Bugs Bunny has an ENTIRE cartoon underwater (Hare Ribbin' again) and never once has to come up for air (neither does his opponent). However, when Porky chases Daffy underwater, Daffy can sing and speak and hold his breath "practically indefinitely", but Porky must wear a scuba helmet.
But logic and reasoning aside (Toons don't care much for that anyhow XP), I agree with you, fatal: Dr. Jackal would be a GREAT villain in a future story!
I personally think the kids must've been from a previous marriage. Although they weren't that significant, I think Wolf would've mentioned them being adopted.
But, wait! I just remembered! The doctor who specializes in Toons whom Eddie talked to said that Jessica was pregnant and Clark Gable was probably the father. The doctor was wrong, (Roger was the father) but he would know whether humans and Toons can reproduce or not, yes? Of course it doesn't make sense, but then Toon-related issues often don't. UNLESS the doctor was a quack...
Arghhh...I'm getting dizzy...
DARN YOU, WOLF, FOR BRINGING IN ALL THESE RIDICULOUS NEW CONCEPTS!!! *shakes fist*
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Post by Fatal hilarity on Jun 17, 2009 14:56:42 GMT -5
Oh yeah, him... geez, I forgot about him! Well, he does mention dozens of cousins in Somethin's Cookin', the short that starts off WFRR... and we all know about the "breeding like rabbits" gag, resulting in huge families. So any number of relatives would be believable.
It doesn't seem to me that drowning would make a toon pop out their soul... from what I've seen, it's extremely violent acts like explosions, and of course laughing too much.
So within (stilted) reason, Dr. Jackal could stay there underwater for as long as he is unable to surface... or as you say, "practically indefinitely".
I simply don't see how a human could impregnate a toon... I mean, we're made out of completely different stuff! Think about it: toons are made out of ink and paint, so they're inorganic.
Also, it was morally unacceptable to depict pregnancy in any popular media at the time, and the first toon to be shown pregnant was Wilma Flintstone. The first live actress to be openly pregnant was Lucille Ball, just a few years earlier.
...Which is why I think most toons have their babies delivered by stork. I don't think cartoonists in the Golden Era ever really imagined toons being capable of being impregnated, anyway (although I've heard a rumor of a few naughty Disney folk...) Like I've said before, a toon's nature depends entirely on the artist's imagination, I think.
So frankly, that's one of the things I disregard in Wolf's work.
(Oh, yeah- and I prefer to think that since the world in WFRR is different from ours, they would a slightly different timeline. Therefore, Gone With The Wind could easily have been released in '49. Or if you prefer, the book could be rewritten with an entirely different movie.)
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Post by kishi on Jun 17, 2009 18:39:44 GMT -5
On Rogers' Relatives: Don't forget his Uncle Thumper, who had problems with his 'probate'. *laughs*
I don't think that toons could get a human pregnant nor could a human get a toon pregnant.
Not to be disgusting or anything...but human/animal hybrids are impossible naturally because humans have different chromosomes and a whole set of internalized 'barriers' that would prevent such a thing from happening.
That is assuming that toons even -have- chromosomes. Toons are weird, plain and simple. They don't adhere strictly to any natural 'law' at all. Which means that technically two toons could decide they want a baby, flip open a mail order catalog and go at picking out what they want on their baby.
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Post by Fatal hilarity on Jun 17, 2009 19:18:26 GMT -5
If I may be somewhat disgusting as well, I do think that toons- if they are more on the PG-13 side- are capable of mating. Just not pregnancy, for the most part.
I'll stop talking about that now...
I got the impression that a visit from the stork was more of a surprise... I seem to recall a Sylvester cartoon where he tried to keep the stork away from the house and from delivering the baby. (He apparently had married at some point.)
Oh, you know what? Toon Platoon gave Roger a mother, who was supposed to look a lot like him. And they made Bugs Bunny his father.
Now... how old does that make Roger? Or are we to assume, because of Bugs' short What's Up, Doc? that he's had a career long before becoming a film star?
Oh, what a great big world this is...
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Post by kishi on Jun 17, 2009 22:12:43 GMT -5
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I just can't see Bugs Bunny as Roger's daddy. I just can't. XD
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Post by Fatal hilarity on Jun 17, 2009 23:28:56 GMT -5
Well, it looks like Who Discovered Roger Rabbit? isn't going to be made, which had Roger searching for his mom too, so I don't think we need to worry about it...
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Post by psychoangel51402 on Jun 25, 2009 18:37:03 GMT -5
WHOAH!!! HEY!!! WAIT A COTTON-PICKIN' MINUTE!!! BUGS BUNNY was gonna be Roger's FATHER?!?!!? How'd you find THAT out?! And what lamebrain came up with that idea anyway?! WB would NEVER allow it!!! What were they THINKING?!
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Post by Fatal hilarity on Jun 25, 2009 21:38:51 GMT -5
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Post by psychoangel51402 on Jun 27, 2009 9:06:18 GMT -5
Interesting...
I can't imagine WB would have gone for that...I mean, having their biggest character of all time possible being the father of one of Disney's biggest characters of all time? HUGE copyright issues there, I'd imagine...
lol, like WB makes Disney pay for Bugs' DNA...they have to pay every time Roger is seen on TV, movies, Disneyloand, whatever...
lol, I'm so weird...
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Lol, just kidding. But there may be spoilers. 
