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Post by Fatal hilarity on Sept 28, 2009 16:46:24 GMT -5
Well, in Back In Action, the Acme Company is under the rule of evil villain Mr. Chairman- who's nearly as cartoony as the actual toons. I'm not sure what his deal is, but perhaps being eccentric gets you places when you work for Acme.
As for Maroon Cartoons, I like to think that Disney eventually bought the rights to their catalog and characters in the '80s. This would explain why he's so present in the parks, and why he would appear alongside Mickey and everything. I like to think that Disney bought Wackytoons as well, which is the studio that Bonkers works for. This is supported by the episode "Cartoon Cornered", where we see Goofy and Pete filming at the Wackytoons studio. Pete mentions that he's supposed to be in a Donald cartoon. Dumbo and some Fantasia toons appear as well- which is obviously meant to parallel the opening scenes of WFRR.
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Post by Fisi on Sept 28, 2009 17:07:01 GMT -5
Oh now I get it. ^_^.
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Post by Fatal hilarity on Oct 7, 2009 13:20:03 GMT -5
I've been thinking about how toons seem to be able to eat human food, as opposed to food made of ink and paint- such as when Roger drinks a non-toon drink, and Baby Herman smokes a non-toon cigar. Now, while they certainly are able to ingest non-toon food, I began to wonder what happened once it hit the stomach. It'd do no good if it just sat there... so I figured there was something special about their digestive juices, and the food would become ink and paint while it was in the stomach. Of course, whether a toon uses the toilet is another matter entirely... modern toons certainly do... I kind of have my doubts about older, more family-friendly toons, though.
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Post by Fisi on Oct 7, 2009 14:59:05 GMT -5
I soo agree.
I've been asking myself that question since when I saw Roger drinking.
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Post by Fisi on Oct 7, 2009 15:01:07 GMT -5
I have a question.
Has anyone seen a movie called Cool World?
I just saw the movie in Youtube and I was just asking myself that why in that movie toons are known as doodles?
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Post by Fatal hilarity on Oct 7, 2009 15:30:06 GMT -5
I've read about it. From what I've heard, Cool World has different rules from WFRR, so I don't consider it canonical for various reasons. I think they were trying to be clever by calling them "doodles". Possibly to distinguish themselves from others.
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Post by julayla on Oct 7, 2009 18:19:19 GMT -5
I guess that's a point taken. I mean, it's like considering Inuyasha non-canon. I mean, if it were up to each of us, everyone would only go through only that of his or her own species (demons, same species animals, Toons, Africans, Hispanics, etc), but since I'm only half white and Hispanic, I should've been considered actually non-existent a long time ago, which would sound racist if this is taken seriously.
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Post by Fatal hilarity on Oct 7, 2009 21:03:16 GMT -5
I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
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Post by Fatal hilarity on Oct 25, 2009 14:22:09 GMT -5
psychoangel once mentioned the possibility that a toon requires a voice actor to receive their voice, which would explain why so many toons have similar voices. I'm not sure if this would be the case for every toon, especially since Babs and Buster Bunny seem to be created with their voices intact just fine in "A Looney Beginning", and I would imagine a toon's creator would already have their voices in mind when they're created. But in some cases, such as when how many cowboy toons sound like Yosemite Sam, I would think that their voices are sometimes, if not most often provided by a human. We may see an inkling of this process here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=60NU4pTEJu0www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5Am7D_4568Also, I've discovered some interesting screenshots of Roger Rabbit's Trail Mix-Up, which reveal hidden gags that make references to other Disney works: jedaniels-adventures.blogspot.com/2009/10/trail-mix-up-inside-gags.htmlBecause the most recent reference is to Disney's Aladdin from 1992, these lead me to believe that this isn't supposed to be a vintage short from the '40s or '50s, but is in fact entirely modern- just retro. So I've come to believe that within the WFRR world, this would be one of Roger's " comeback films", after Disney "bought" Maroon Cartoons.
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Post by Fatal hilarity on Nov 6, 2009 22:56:24 GMT -5
Aw, shoot! I totally forgot about that... well, I guess that would explain why so many of the live-action elements are so cartoony. Well, I still like to think that Acme becomes less personal and more like a huge corporation over the years. Marvin was a jovial fellow- who's to say the inheritor of his company was the same? He didn't mention that his company was being given to the toons in his will, I don't think- just Toontown. I should probably check... Besides, who would want to have toons run a big company, anyway? Even if they are toon products... Oh, and speaking of Toontown, I like to think that this short represents Toontown in its early years (circa 1923): www.youtube.com/watch?v=H58meqbp5PsNevermind that it's supposed to be a dream- Walt probably had it written that way (the ending is cut, by the way). Of course, we also see the animators interacting with their toons, as if they were a new and novel spectacle, which they were. And why not have Toontown once be called "Cartoonland" in the '20s? It reminds me of these panels for some reason: img.photobucket.com/albums/v428/tymime/Weasels/Judge%20Doom/doom2.png
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Post by smartguy02011986 on Nov 6, 2009 23:32:15 GMT -5
The 1923 Alice's Wonderland Black and white with no talking at all and just words nice work and find on that! I can not belive that is how it was back in those days. My grandparents told me storys about those days.
And the other comic strips if thats what you call them good find they remind me of old cartoons that use to be on the disney channel back in the days when I was a kid
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Post by Fatal hilarity on Nov 9, 2009 14:00:25 GMT -5
Does anyone have any thoughts on how a toon gets their voice?
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Post by Fatal hilarity on Nov 13, 2009 0:28:32 GMT -5
Let me bring your attention to these quotes to refresh your memory: The Roger Rabbit comic, "The Color of Trouble!", talks about b&w toons losing their jobs to color toons. I guess this would apply to any cartoon character that didn't survive into the color era. It also talks about how silent toons that didn't make it into the sound era. This doesn't sit right with me. What indication is there of toons from the silent era being unable to make any sound? Surely that's only the fault of the filming process. I mean, would it fair to make a toon mute just because they wouldn't be able to use his/her voice? Okay, so maybe they wouldn't talk much or have a tendency to use talk bubbles more often, but somehow a completely silent toon using title cards to communicate sounds silly. I don't think Toons are silent b/c they appear in silent films. I think that cartoons created to star in silent films simply weren't given voices. Bugs Bunny hints at how he is able to speak - he says that Mel Blanc was "the man of a thousand voices, and he was kind enough to give me one of them" (this was a Chuck Jones cartoon, by the way, but I don't believe it was created in the 40s. More around the 70s, I think) . So they may be silent, but not because they were in silent films. just because they didn't need voices. However, they may still have voices if their creators wanted them to. Just because we didn't hear Charlie Chaplin's voice in his films doesn't mean he couldn't talk, am I right? So you think it could go either way, then? Silent and with a voice? I guess that's reasonable. I'm just thinking it'd be rather mean to not give a toon a voice for pure practical reasons. What if the toon wanted to communicate? Would they be forced to use talk balloons, like they often use in silent cartoons? I just think it's reasonable to assume that the filming process is a big part of it. So do you think that toons are given their voices by humans, then? Is that part of the process of their "birth"? How does that explain the absence of voice actors in the Tiny Toons episode "The Looney Beginning"? Babs and Buster Bunny are created with their voices without any help. Don't you suppose that the artist's imagination would create the voice? Would the Toon Patrol's voice actors be from an entirely different generation in the WFRR world, then? Charles Fleischer wasn't around in the '40s in our world, after all. Only June Foray comes from that generation. And how does that explain Bugs Bunny's life story? According to "What's Up, Doc?" he was born and raised by parents, and had a career long before he made it into film. Now how does that explain his early cartoons where he was white-furred and had an entirely different voice? Is "What's Up, Doc?" just a dramatization of his life. And just recently: psychoangel once mentioned the possibility that a toon requires a voice actor to receive their voice, which would explain why so many toons have similar voices. I'm not sure if this would be the case for every toon, especially since Babs and Buster Bunny seem to be created with their voices intact just fine in "A Looney Beginning", and I would imagine a toon's creator would already have their voices in mind when they're created. But in some cases, such as when how many cowboy toons sound like Yosemite Sam, I would think that their voices are sometimes, if not most often provided by a human. We may see an inkling of this process here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=60NU4pTEJu0www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5Am7D_4568On an unrelated note, if you've ever wondered who the little fellow in the top hat is... ...He's a modified version of an obscure character named Wiffle Piffle by Fleischer Studios, the same people who did the Betty Boop and Popeye cartoons. www.michaelspornanimation.com/splog/?p=1792www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cmY-tve9KAI must say, the folks who chose the cameos were really picking some weird stuff.
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Post by Fatal hilarity on Nov 13, 2009 14:39:51 GMT -5
Thanks for posting those quotations, they're quite loaded with info. So... nothing to say about where toons get their voices? Nothing at all? I don't think the fox and the pig (I'm surprised you don't remember him) are anybody in particular. Wikipedia seems to think that he's George the Fox from this cartoon here, but I kinda doubt it: www.dailymotion.com/video/x37ewa_of-fox-and-hounds_shortfilmsHis design is so generic (and we can't see his face either) he could be any fox. Actually, George here looks and sounds a lot like this fox, known as Freddy: revver.com/video/830565/porky-pig-porkys-hired-hand/
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Post by Fatal hilarity on Nov 22, 2009 17:43:33 GMT -5
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